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Denied Banned by Abusive Staff @Jacob

Discussion in 'Unban Requests' started by buffAL0, Jan 8, 2016.

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  1. buffAL0

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    Hello, I am buffAL0. I have gone by quite a few names actually such as Splash and g0at.I am also a very well known face in the community. I am friends with everyone on the server who comes and I always try to bring out the best in all that join the server. Today unfortunately I was playing with some people on the server and I was suddenly slayed by the Moderator Jacob. This was the first time I have been slayed on the server and what was I doing, nothing wrong. Jacob didn't give me a single reason why I was slayed until after I am slayed. Usually when I play with other staff members such as Rollie, I am warned first, then if I continue to offend, I am slayed. His justification was that I was aligning with a person to my right who didn't have much of a boat and was relatively new. So not being a jackass I went for the team of three and let him be. Afterwards I was telling him how the other staff members role and how we was being abusive. Me being a former moderator on a TTT server, I know how the staffing works. I was gagged at first because I believe Jacob didn't want to hear the truth. After being kicked I came back on with even more reason and allegorically relating being a moderator to an irl job. Most of the staff members can take shit such as curse words but Jacob was something else, I can understand racism being offensive but saying "This isn't a fucking schoolhouse you gook" isn't offensive. If this is offensive then I am sorry. I try not to be offensive but when someone like Jacob is ruining a good time that I would die to have every moment I can, I get angry. Sure there were some curse words exchanged and yadda yadda but I honestly don't understand fully why. He kept slaying me than telling me what I did wrong which in my case is a bit of an issue. Never have I ever seen any staff with an IQ over 20 slay then tell, its quite the contrary for standard issuing. What also made me very mad was that on a pirate round I was slayed for "prop farming" in my case I call it "strategy". Limiting the amount of excess boats are key for pirate rounds. Unfortunately I was misunderstood. Afterwards I was banned. If you ask anyone on the flood server from the time Jacob logged on to the time he logged off and witnessed what he did to me, they would agree that his response was immature and unjust. Thank you for understanding

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    buffAL0:emoticon_wink:
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  2. Roflcopter Rogers

    Roflcopter Rogers Least From The East Platinum VIP

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    @Jacob want to shed some light on this?
     
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  3. IceSeasons

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    Edit your unban request as soon as possible and use this format for unban requests. It makes our lives easier to read and understand what is going on instead of sending this huge wall of text on us.

    While I do agree that Jacob should shed some light on this matter, I would also highly encourage you to refrain from making such derogatory remarks towards Jacob on your unban request. As an ex-moderator on a TTT server, you should clearly know that this is disrespect to staff. Furthermore, there is no need for you to create a vote on your unban request regarding Jacob and such. Please revise your unban request as soon as possible.
     
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  4. buffAL0

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    No Problem
     
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    counter Godly Member Platinum VIP

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    Hello @Jacob,
    Please take in consideration that there are different regulations for each rule so be careful on what you do and try to ask for assistance before taking it into your hands.

    As for @buffAL0,
    Some people may not be comfortable on what you said and I believe you should not harass other players including staff when they do not appreciate on what you do. I've gone into this myself and Jacob had one good reason to ban you for breaking a rule. I know this slay of 'prop farm' might have been not true but please, if you have any evidence of Jacob abusing, please do post in a DEMO file or in youtube.

    I'll get out of your way now.
     
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  6. Decap

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    This is yet again, another situation where both parties have done something wrong.

    @Jacob as far as his claim that he wasn't being an asshole by killing the guy with the small boat next to him, this possibly could be the case. Be sure to investigate these things further next time. Just because two people aren't shooting each other doesn't mean the are trucing.

    However @buffAL0 You admitted yourself that you were damaging dead people's props in pirate round. regardless of what round or reason, prop farming is just that. Technically I don't like the term since we made it that you can't make money off of dead peoples props. So I contribute it to round delaying. Also going after staff that you think are abusing by calling them names is not the best way to deal with the situation. We cannot act on your word alone and we can't use "people in the server" or friends as evidence. Your best bet if this happens again is to simply record what is happening by making a demo. I've made a very easy simple guide to making one here.

    So with that said I'm fine with lifting you ban if you reply to this and state your apologies. Hopefully Jacob will be a little more mindful and investigate these situations a little further next time before passing on judgement.
     
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  7. Jacob

    Jacob John Serving Cena Cakes

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    I will shed some light. While sitting next to a new player without teaming with him, he said "Let's target those guys". So Buffalo and another player were trucing. I had slayed them both, and had told them that you cannot truce (team outside of original teams). Afterwards, they both were harassing me, using vulgar slurs, so I gagged both of them. Then I stated that I will ungag them both, but if they harass me further they will be kicked. Gave a verbal warning. I un-gagged them, the other person stopped although, Buffalo started cussing once more, disrespecting me and using vulgar slurs to top that. I kicked him due to this reason. He came back, he calmed down a bit. It was a pirate round, and the player was actually prop farming boats with a crowbar, so I again slayed him for that reason and gave him another verbal warning. I believe I gagged him again, and told him again if you continue to harass staff and use vulgar language you will be banned. So I un-gagged him, he harasses me again using slurs, as well as questioning my eligibility of being staff as well as my age. Then I banned him for a day (but honestly, I should've done it longer with what he has done.) I went by the three warning system, even after he broke 3 rules already.

    As a mod, I should be treated fairly and equally, and handle my own situations counter. I believe that's what anyone else would've done. But if I had needed help, I would've contacted somebody, but I believe I made the right call here.
     
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  8. Decap

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    Other than not merging your posts (I did it for ya) that is the correct procedure and you did good. I'm not saying I believe him but there was room for reasonable doubt. When he said "Let's target those guys", he could have been talking to everyone in the server. I've played countless times were people will say that in order for everyone to target the best team. There's no problem with trying to get everyone to take out the biggest team, I think that's strategy. However it if he said "Hey "Jack" (or whatever his name is) me and you are gonna take them all out" or something like that then yes that's probably trucing. Otherwise good job. He has yet to reply and apologize so I won't be lifting his ban.
     
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    Okay, i was there. Jacob did NOT sound as proffesional as he sounds in this statement. No one in the room was offended about what they said. They were on their side on the argument instead of jacob. It was all against him. He did not use vulgar slurs, he did cuss tough. I belive the word ''kid'' is considired a vulgar word when you are below age 13 you are in the age class Child aka Kid. so what he said was about this: I know you are a staff member but that does not mean you can have such attitude and be so cocky. Like you can argument reasonably with a normal player to find a solution. But wen you do that with jacob he just ignores and mutes just because he has powers. The fact that he isnt a member of the community representing the community but a member that got in power and just feel all the power in the world. Also i do not know why you hire underaged admins due most people want staff that is mature and can solve problems easy. So.. after Buffalo wants to continue the argument which a normal staff member could take to solve the solution jacob just ignored him. Untill he continued and instead of solving it and making everyone happy. He just banned him for one day. Which left most of the players sad. Due he was the happy guy and was most chat active with the microphone. And jacob left hated.




    So basicly. it emerged an argument. Jacob diddnt solve it and just banned him to make him shut up. Because thats the ''Right Call''
     
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  10. IceSeasons

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  11. Vinyx

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    Yeah, its all recorded though. i had a streamer friend playing. But i do not wish to spend the effort of downloading a 8h stream to edit out 20minutes.
     
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  12. Decap

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    If the stream is recorded on twitch or something that I could watch, just point out the time in it that it happened.
     
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  13. Jacob

    Jacob John Serving Cena Cakes

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    Whereby I hadn't lashed out at him as he did to me, I act immature? Honestly, if he has a stream recorded then let Decap see. I was harassed, and I hadn't argued with the player. Here's how it is: I don't play the game to argue over with a player over my elibility of how I am staff, I'd rather play the game. So whereby, I had gagged him with reason, due to the fact that I did not want to argue with him any further, especially how he was acting- vulgar language.. Not my style. Simply, he cussed at me, and harassed me. I had enough, and so you may provide the evidence here.

    I would never do something unjust without reason, whereby I state here that I have my wrongs but that doesn't give anyone the reason to harass me in anyway when I was doing my job. (I think it's immature that you call me a child just by my voice. I figured everyone would be mature enough to realize when you are at fault instead of blaming someone else.)
     
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  14. Decap

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    I've seen some screenshots by @Jacob that shows @buffAL0 being pretty rude in steam chat. If the situation was genuine and Jacob was truly in the wrong, he would not act that way. I'm locking this thread since his ban has expired and Buffalo has shown his true colors.
     
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    Hello,

    @IceSeasons recently wanted me to look upon further into this incident and have found several logs needed that Jacob is not the one to blame.

    http://pastebin.com/CtkEkBmF
    http://pastebin.com/ckc48m4L

    As you can see, it is clear that Jacob was doing his job properly to prevent around 3-5 people harassing him.



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    I have banned his alternative account for 1 1/2 weeks due to evasion for his punishment including extended his main ban.

    I rather deny this unban request as buffAL0 clearly cannot handle waiting his time period.

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    Just refer to that post. Wanted to add on with Decap.

    http://devinity.org/threads/banned-by-abusive-staff-jacob.2145/
     
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    Thread unlocked due to request via @CounterCraftz for other evidence
     
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