Expanding on what SilverMario posted about in this thread: There are a lot of votes that VIP members can push out other than kicking/banning. Many times it can effect what an admin has done already. As in there have been times when I would select a random event for the next round and due to a VIP that event would be screwed up. I would set up a Build to Top event and a VIP would get everyone to end the build phase withing 10 seconds. Thus not giving anyone enough time to make a tower. While I do realize that the VIP in question should be dealt with, there is no way to cancel that vote or reverse it's effects. Mods+ should have the ability to cancel any VIP votes they deem unnecessary or arbitrary. If we have to cancel many votes from one VIP, that VIP should be dealt with accordingly.
I think everyone should be able to votekick/voteban if there are no admins online, beacause tehre aren't always VIPs online, especially in the EU servers...
Allowing people to vote isn't the issue here. It's Mod's being able to cancel votes that do not need to happen or are being abused.
This will abused so hard if regular users could vote kick/voteban. I agree with stop the votekick/voteban. But if a VIP wants to stop a forced event you started, and a majority of the server pressed F3 to end the phase, why cancel that? And people really want to end it when you force it twice in a row.
Because like I've seen countless times, people see a vote pop up and they hit f3 regardless. The might not give two shits on what the vote means. It could be a vote to give all of your money to the person who started the vote and they wouldn't know any better. Or when a vip just says "Everyone hit f3 for $1000" which also happens a lot. Besides If I got on to play a certain round which I have the ability to start, I don't want vip's to screw that up by getting everyone to vote to change it or end the build round prematurely when they don't even know what they are really voting for or being persuaded to vote.
Just play on a server without VIPs? I don't really know what to say, I know a lot of people really don't like build round. And just because you want to play it doesn't mean you can just force everyone else to too. I mean you have the power to, but I think a VIP should still be able to skip the phases as they please. Those perks don't really need staff stepping in. Those are perks for donating, if you can just stop them that would be just restricting that person from using the perks they donated for. This is not like votekick/voteban because they are to administrate a server, that command has responsibility. Also it's still up to the player to press F3, persuaded or not.
Build round? As in when you are supposed to build a boat? I hope you used the wrong word because if people don't like building then why the hell are they on a flood server to begin with? If admins were not supposed to force events, then we would not have the command. Most VIPs aren't like this, I'll say 90% of the time I don't have a problem with VIP votes. But for the small amount of time when VIPs are abusing the vote perks they have, we should be able to intervene and stop the votes to keep from ruining a round. If to many votes need to be canceled by an admin, then that person should have their VIP revoked or some similar punishment. When people vote, they should know what they are voting for and also not be coerced into voting for something by promise of free server money. That in my mind is an exploit of your perks regardless of how you may see it. Admins have the final say when it comes to the rules and some are up for interpretation by said admins. This isn't about "What the admin wants" or undermining an admins decision, it's about keeping the VIPs perks in check to ensure everyone has a fun time. I've been at this longer than you have Silver and I've seen many VIPs who think that just because you have perks that means you can abuse them as much as you want. You're also making the average player seem smarter than they really are. Much of our player base derives from kids under 18, many of them between 12-15. Many of them do not have the maturity or common sense to know what half of the things on the server even mean, let alone when a VIP vote pops up. So yeah, most of the time I wouldn't bother with a VIP vote, but when some kid is being a shithead, I need a way to cancel his vote that will ruin the current round.
Maybe not force an event where a lot of people of don't like it? Build to top event, there was skip phase. When you force Zombie, there was no skip phase.
If people were really loyal enough to the server, they will buy vip. Most players just come and go as they please.
That doesn't change the fact that granting everyone vote power will cause people not to play the servers anymore, due to the high amounts of power abuse.
When a mod is on the VIP's shouldn't even have to vote kick and vote ban they should leave it to the admin. here's an idea on !votemap on other server if people vote for a map and it wins then it asks the admin or mod on the server where they accept the results or not. something like this should be implemented on the server only when an admin or mod is on.
Moderators and Administrators are not the presidents, they shouldn't have to sign off a new vote if the majority of the congress already voted yes. You have the power so a majority of the server can say "Yeah, let's switch maps!" Having a Moderator+ needing to accept that would be rubbish.
it was never about switching maps that was just where I got my concept from. it would apply to vote bans and vote kicks. and it's not my idea i'm just giving ideas on how to implement it. I do agree with the idea though. mod should get final say. I have been teamed on before by gold members vote kicking because they couldn't accept loss. vote kicking isn't always just it can be abused.
http://devinity.org/threads/disabling-votekick-ban-when-staff-are-on-the-server.1835/ We already discussed something like this.
No, you brought up the idea of having to need a mod/admin to accept a votekick/voteban, I told you that it plans to have it so mods/admins can stop a votekick/voteban in progress, this thread is based around the idea of having the same stopping votekick/voteban idea placed around the vote skip phase and vote random event.
overall i think its a good idea or say like if there is a mod or staff or whatever on then you shouldn't even be able to votekick/voteban at all.